John Deere 490E - Sudden shut down, will not restart

Hello all, I am new to the fourm and a new equipment owner so please bare with me.
I have a JD490E with 12,000 hrs that seems to be quite a good runner, but I've only had for about 40hrs. 4 times since Ive had the excavator I went to turn the machine off, keyed to off, and the engine dropped a hundred or so RPM and kept running. I cycled the key on/ off engine picked up rpm to normal keyed off and shut down normaly.
Now the issue is, I am in a very remote location and just to get a tech there is the better part of $600 for travel, so Im trouble shooting this as far as I can with out swallowing that bullet, so I was Digging for about 4hrs normal operation, and the just enginge shut off while loading bucket with a slight belt squeek. No cough or sputter just like it was keyed off. Turned the key to restart and the engine cranks with no restart not a cough or any smoke.

Steps taken include
1. replace fuel filter bleed entire fuel system
2. replace low pressure lift pum, old one seems slightly weak.
3. replace fuel shut off solinoid getting 24.4v when keyed to on and 14.4 ohms with no power to solnoid, old solinoid worked fine upon removal and bench test with adequate voltage and ohms. jumped the solnoid with a fused wire to good 24v still no start.
4. checked all fuses they are good

I have been trouble shooting with Brandt and others for over a week now, to no solution except they want to come out to look $$$ again very remote ferry, boat ride, hike threw the bush.

I have not checked relays, as everyone I have spoken with dosent think thats the issue, EC motor possible culprit in wrong position? Preformed EC motor bypass, I believe properly to no change!

Fuel was blead to fill lift pump, filter, prime injection pump, prime fuel return, but fuel will not get to injectors! I can not feel the fuel shut off solonid click when keyed? but other relays are clicking batt realay and ec motor is attempting to move but dosent seem to do a full cycle, again techs talked to dont think this is an issue?

Sight on injector pump Standayne DB4 - JD- RE45483 was removed and I can see the crank shaft turning in injector pump. But aparently on this DB4 that dosent mean the rotor is not seized.

With the EC motor engaged to start which direction should it be to open, full front to rad or full pulled back toward hyd pump? This may help with where the EC motor is supposed to be on start up.

The Crank position sensor has been mentioned, but again I dont have infinate $ to replace working parts just to rule them out! How do I test the crank position sensor voltage and ohm spec?


What is your feed back? has any one had a sudden shutdown no restart like this with a JD490E with a 4045T.

Thank you for all of your help

John Deere 490E - Sudden shut down, will not restart

Cat parts availibility...

I mentioned the post about the military Cats up for sale with extremely low hours to a guy at work. I said one was a 1987 with only 30 hours on it but he figures there's no way Cat would have any parts for it so it's not worth much. I said Cat still supplies some parts for machines built in the 50's but would have lots of parts for an 87. He said call up Finning and I bet they wouldn't have anything for an 87 machine because Cat couldn't make any money having parts in stock for older machines. I tried to explain that's one the best benefits of buying older cat machines over some other brands. I know some parts have been discontinued but I'd bet for a D7G most parts would be readily available. Cat makes billions selling parts. Curious what some of you guys with older machines have to say regarding cat parts availability for machines built in the 80's and older. I think for some companies it doesn't pay to have big inventories but Cat didn't get their reputation by not having parts.

Cat parts availibility...

Updating Mini Excavator gauges

Well guys I don't know if you would be interested in leisurely reading or not but...........I decided to update the gauges in the Mini excavator. It's a Scat Trak 224S and I posted photos in the mini pics thread. Essentially I've built it from the ground up, and for those that don't want to go and look at the other thread here's a couple quick before and afters.





New Kubota 4 cylinder diesel:


New paint, seat, etc...



So now I'm getting started on the gauges. All the warning indicators have the lens caps missing. So basically you have to know what they are in order to be warned about the issue, or it's just a light. I haven't quite figured out where I can pick up some aftermarket caps yet but tell me if you like where I'm headed with the gauges:



Above the old water temperature gauge.

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Updating Mini Excavator gauges

Dozer winching against a deadman ice anchor

So I have a great little JD 350 with a 24T carco winch on it, I have this tree that's pretty big and leaning toward something I don't want smashed, namely the house, I'd either like it to fall toward the lake or parallel to the house. It got me to wondering, ususally about mid winter, in a month or two, there's usually 1.5 feet of ice on the lake, so I started wondering, if I cut a small hole and dropped in a short I beam with a chain fastened to the middle, how much strain would it take. With the dozer near the shore, the angle from the dozer to a good purchase on the tree is well beyond 45 degrees, I'd like the angle a lot more shallow, say 20 degrees and also much higher up on the tree itself.

My guestimation is that maybe a max of 1 - 1.5 tons of force on the tree would make with friction 2.5 - 3.5 tons of force on the deadman anchor.

Anyone ever tried to use an ice anchor deadman before? I suppose I could put a full pull on the winch and see if it would drag the dozer.

Dozer winching against a deadman ice anchor

Kubota SVL75-2 & Volvo EC220D

I just rented and used a brand new Kubota SVL75-2 ( 8 hours ) I also rented a Volvo EC220D ( 2000 hours ) for assistance in tearing down a burned Log House/debris.

I also used a wheeled skid steer/metal bar tracks also Scat Trak 1700C. Hand/foot controls.

Kubota SVL75-2 ( ran 6.5 hours ) was cabbed/air/heat.........pretty loaded up.
Likes - adequate power - foot throttle - cab if working in area of dust/dirt - descent room in cab - servo hydro controls vs manual sticks - aux thumb rocker switch - hydraulic attach/detatch for implements -

Dislikes - poor traction working debri - rolls like marbles under tracks - rough ride working debris - noisy inside cab even closed up - didn't keep dirt/dust out well - no recirculate option on heater/ac so sucks outside smells/smoke inside - low head clearance when window up and opening/closing - poor locking mechanism on windows - horrible reflections on glass when trying to work with lights on - looks like objects are close to you when they are actually reflections so had to work with windows open to not be confused - controls are not lighted well for identifying at night - dome light is tucked behind door when open so cant see it well much of its light is blocked ( need more than one tiny dome light or lighted switch panel. heater/ac controls not lighted at all to find in dark. Poor traction on concrete - high fuel consumption - low back seat

Scat Trak 1700C ( have ran 1000 hours ) currently at 2500+ hours
Likes - American made workhorse - perkins engine - reliability - superior traction when working in debris - Fuel Consumption - better for pushing/digging - high back seat
Dislikes - old - manual sticks wear you out - hydraulics not as good

Volvo EC220D - ran 35 hours appx
Likes - cab was laid out nicely - controls/hydraulics - pedals/buttons/options of changing - lighted switches easy to find at night, backlight dash, great cab lighting, radio/speakers perfect for working noise, controls for all at your fingertips, power center by leg, exterior lighting, serviceability things were easy to get to and check, and the best of all - this thing is quiet like a car, NOT KIDDING, so quiet it is unbelievable, I ran with door open for half a day and it was amazing. I haven't ran any other hoes but BOY, I was impressed with this Volvo, they have this down very well. I thoroughly enjoyed running it and was not tired or stressed after doing so. IF anyone knows of a good job I would love running one of these daily. Fuel consumption was VERY good I was surprised!!!

I have ran an ASV PT80. IT was a nice machine, very smooth but poor traction as well was using to put in a couple culverts and push brush. The rubber tracks just don't get traction like my wheeled loader on dirt or mud. They are very poor on concrete. I believe they would be great for grading, finishing, maybe snow but definitely not packed hard or ice. I used my steel bars for that also or rubber tires. I don't use my rubber tires or steel tracks on yards it will either leave ruts or tear up the grass with the tracks.

I liked the hydraulics better on the ASV than the Kubota. I did not like the progressive valves and sensitivity of the Kubota. I liked the feel of the hydraulics on the Volvo the best, very good feel and sensitivity. I wish the Hoe had better power when trying to rotate the hoe to move debris side to side - the hydraulic rotation motor seems to be lacking in that area, I didn't like having to swing the hoe like a baseball bat to get things to move. I realize the power lies in directly away and toward you but still its nice when moving dirt to not have to pick it up first then rotate to dump etc.....

The Scat is manual so its all about how you handle the hydraulics. No servos to feel with there, its all up to you. Those are great but also more physically demanding and not quiet as sensitive.

Hope this helps someone who might be thinking or using these items. My neighbor needed to buy another machine for his landscaping business for his company and came and checked out the Kubota as well as a Deere and ended up buying a Cat 262D wheeled loader. I want to run it and check out the cab features and such on it as well as quietness.

I will let you know. If anyone else has any input on cabs and ergonomics and use let me know.

I have a gripe for Kubota, The door that swings up.........because of all the reflections of the lights working at night I had the front door open. I went over the lip of the stub wall on a walkout basement and one side of the door was not secure.....SOoooo when the loader smacked the floor coming over the lip the torque of that downward motion torqued the glass enough it shattered above my head. Fortunately I have several layers of clothes on plus a hat to shield me from the glass HOWEVER - the front door handle runs on cabled with promptly swung into my face and hit me as well as the wiper motor and blade fell into my head and the back handle dropped on my head also. Mind you a different latching system would be easier to use/see and secure the pins are spring loaded so if you miss the hole they will settle lower and not be secure. Also, the only dome light in the cab is in the far back corner behind your head to the right only about 2-3 inches from the window when it is up so very difficult to find in the dark and it is only operable from a little toggle switch, needs to be more interior lighting as well as a button to turn it on that you can see on the control panel not up in the back of the machine behind your head covered up.

They should be more save in their latch/cables/handle and wiper, they should not fall on a person. I do not like the reflectivity of the glass when working at night, it looks like there is a tree or something beside you when its actually just an object reflecting from the lights. I do not have this kind of troubles with my plexiglass on my other machines but then again they don't have as powerful of lights.

Just some other info I thought I would pass along.

Kubota is a descent machine but refinement is needed as well as some safety if you ask me.

I have ran a 763, 873 bobcat as well as a T185 and they were ok machines. I didn't get to spend the time on them like I have others but my biggest gripe on the 763 was power, the 873 was much better. I just don't seem to like Track machines for what I use them for. IF I was into finish grading or landscaping that is probably what I would have, at least one mid/small sized one. I liked the hydraulics on the Bobcat units they seemed fine.

I ran an 963C for about 2 hours once and I liked the hydraulics on it but it had the same bit of delay was it eased forward/backward not an instant feel.

Kubota SVL75-2 & Volvo EC220D

Need Info on Lattice Boom Truck Crane

Yes yes yes I know this machine is obsolete/probably wore outjunk, but despite that, it would work for my needs.

The crane in question is a 40t P&H 440TC 1979 vintage, it sold in auction previously, but it's listed for sale again (same auction house, bit of a head scratcher why).

I don't know much about cranes, I understand the physics behind them and the importance of load charts, but never operated on (trying to fix a junk RT-63s for a friend). Portability isn't a huge concern, but I would eventually like to have the capability of roading it (would not be doing lifts for hire, just moving my junk).

Is this a "fraction" crane, I think I understand what that means, that the winches are controlled with clutches and brakes, but not 100% sure. What are the wear points on these machines? Overstressed boom, wornout cable, engines, clutches and brakes jump to my mind. Would there be anything specific to look for when inspecting it?

I've seen the machine before, sat in the cab briefly and didn't think it was too abused, but this was just a visual inspection in passing.

Thanks for any and all info as usual.

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Need Info on Lattice Boom Truck Crane

2008 580 Super M throttle problems

I have a 2008 580 Super M backhoe. i set the throttle and start operating then it cut backs down to idle. heres the list of error codes it reads,

Hours 3631.5
1. 1039 – Occ: 30 HR: 3631.4
2. 1036 – Occ: 30 HR: 3631.4
3. 1004 – Occ: 137 HR: 3630.6
4. 3088 – Occ: 16 HR: 3598.2
5. 3095 – Occ: 13 HR: 3598.2
6. 3089 – Occ: 9 HR: 3598.2
7. 3243 – Occ: 1 HR: 3442.1
8. 1015 – Occ: 4 HR: 3382.3
9. 3173 – Occ: 1 HR: 3355.1
10. 1022 – Occ: 1 HR: 3193.6
11. 1020 – Occ: 1 HR: 3052.8
12. 1014 – Occ: 2 HR: 2950.6
13. 1045 – Occ: 250 HR: 2737.0
14. 1019 – Occ: 16 HR: 2737.0
15. 1002 – Occ: 11 HR: 2737.0
16. 3007 – Occ: 1 HR: 2737.0
17. 1021 – Occ: 17 HR: 2735.5
18. 1058 – Occ: 1 HR: 2635.4
19. 1051 – Occ: 1 HR: 2635.4
20. 1056 – Occ: 1 HR: 2635.4

any help is appreciated.

2008 580 Super M throttle problems